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Post by Aisu Youkai on Feb 22, 2006 0:43:13 GMT -5
Here it is, Rikku. Let's have fun, shall we?
So, what is the legacy of Kain in your own words...?
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Post by Darkwarrior on Feb 22, 2006 10:27:14 GMT -5
What, Kain's actual legacy? OMG are you after an essay?
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Post by Aisu Youkai on Feb 22, 2006 16:42:00 GMT -5
lol. I guess so, if that's how you interrupt the question. ;D
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Post by Ranka on Mar 3, 2006 20:54:26 GMT -5
Kain's Legacy in Blood Omen was to restore balance to the pillars of Nosgoth but in his choice of self preservation over sacrifice, he doomed nosgoth for an eternity in hell! ;D Blood Omen 2 was... erm... confusing, the sarafan lord pwns kain... kain is mad, he goes after the lord, pwns him and shut the newly opened portal to the world of the ennemy race (Which I have forgotten the name ) Soul Reaver, we finaly get to see Raziel, one of the coolest looking video game character EVER !!! ;D Raziel's plan : Kill Kain Conclusion : Kain escapes Soul Reaver two... Raziel's plan : Kill Kain Conclusion : Kain escapes Defiance! Raziels pla-*gets hit by a truck* okay, fine! I'll stop the ranting -_-''
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Post by Darkwarrior on Mar 4, 2006 5:46:25 GMT -5
Intially Kain's legacy as such was a corrupted Nosgoth, but at the end of Defiance it is a newly restored Nosgoth.
It wasn't apparent, certainly not in BO2, but Kain's goal really the whole way through is to establish himself in his rightful place as Balance Guardian. The only flaw in this inasmuch as blighting his character (if you see it that way) is that he will go to any lengths to achieve this.
Blood Omen 2's storyline makes perfect sense to me, in terms of incorporating it into the storyline of the others. Everyone moans about it, but I have no real problem with it. The only real discrepancy is the appearence of Vorador, who technically had lost his head quite some time before that.
But on general characters and storylines, I get really narked at people saying Kain is evil. It is a total misinterpretation of his character. Kain is not evil. He is very good at coming across like it, as I never said he was nice. But there is a huge difference between not being nice to achieve what you think is right and evil. Because they just instantly see 'Big mean green vampire' they fail to grasp the finer points of Kain's character. But his behaviour in Defiance just proves it, but it does in the other games to a lesser degree.
I'm ranting again >.< Sorry, I just have a huge thing about Kain as a character and I get really sick of reading fanfic where he's made to be the badguy just because Raziel's self and rest of the world loathing and emo whinging seems to appeal.
I like Raziel, but he is a whiner. I can understand him being pissed over the whole wings thing, but it's not Kain's fault that Raziel is an emo brat that can't help but be manipulated by everything and everybody around him. Kain can hardly be blamed for Raziel lapping up what he's told and following around like a lost puppy, any one who's prepared to speak to him. Fetch the stick Raz, there's a good boy.
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Post by Ranka on Mar 4, 2006 12:40:22 GMT -5
I never beleived Kain to be evil, he's just got a strange way of acting towards other people. As a matter of fact, I think the only times he's truly been nice was towards Raziel Speaking of that little angel of death, you can't imagine how much I agree with you about the stick fetching type thing ;D BO2 makes alot more sence after playing Defiance, many of the things left out were explained such as the emprisonment of Vorador's master (I keep forgeting the names! >.<) in the mass (that big blob weapon thing) and how he was used to allow the Hylden to return to Nosgoth. It only leaves me out of the loop for Vorador realy... Although how does the Hylden use the ancient winged vampire afterwards? None of the new, or characters that returned seem to actualy play their parts in Soul Reaver... Story wise, its fine although as to what concerns characters... Its strange.
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Post by Darkwarrior on Mar 4, 2006 14:13:54 GMT -5
I'm sorry if you interpreted it that why, but I wasn't saying you said Kain was evil :]
I was just off on one of my rants. I do that.
As I said before, it was a continuity blip that Vorador was in Blood Omen 2, as he was dead by then, killed by Moebius.
The rest of the characters, like Janos, he was in it because the Hylden had taken over his body in Defiance and took him back in time to the BO2 Era so that they could use him to power the mass which opens up the portal for the Hylden to return. Technically on one time line, at the time of Defiance, Janos has already been lost into the Demon Dimension. But if you want to know more to clarify what went on in terms of the timeline (it can get pretty confusing) ask and I'll explain what I can.
But I'm off out so I don't have time right now XD
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Post by Ranka on Mar 4, 2006 16:42:36 GMT -5
Well... In the timeline, Soul Reaver 2 takes place before Blood Omen which is even with Defiance which is before Blood Omen two followed by Soul Reaver... I get your idea of confusing ;D
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Post by Darkwarrior on Mar 5, 2006 6:03:44 GMT -5
Cel, Have you played BO?
I can't remember if you had or not. I stil need to finish that game properly.
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Post by Aisu Youkai on Mar 7, 2006 19:04:50 GMT -5
I haven't finished it, but I've got most of the story down. I'd like to sit down and help by writing out a bit of my own opinions and stuff relating to what's being talked about right now, but I don't have the time either.
However, Ranka... the storyline for the games is this: Blood Omen, Soul Reaver, Soul Reaver 2, Blood Omen 2, and Defiance. They proceed in the exact order they came out in. I'm sure whatever-her-name-is made sure this was done on purpose. (You do know that this whole storyline was thought up by a girl, right? Hehe... ^_^) It's only that some of the history happened in different orders because of the time travel. The events went in that order though. Confusing? Oh, hell yea. But it's half of what makes it so great.
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Post by Darkwarrior on Mar 8, 2006 8:43:08 GMT -5
Amy Henning was the name of the director. Blood Omen 2 wasn't as good as she didn't direct that one if I remember rightly.
That's the problem Eidos have got now. Amy Henning left, and then most of the guys that worked on LoK left too.
I did hear mention that a future script of the game or something has been left with the company, but as to whether anything will ever come of that, or if it really exists, I don't know.
I love the confusingness of the storyline, it's what makes the game so great. You have to have half a brain to work out what the hell's going on XD
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